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		By: Greg Fox		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Fox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2012 13:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sometimes you have to spend money to save it in the end.  I love windows and in the process of designing a home that we break construction next summer.  Thnx for the info, this might change my plans a bit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes you have to spend money to save it in the end.  I love windows and in the process of designing a home that we break construction next summer.  Thnx for the info, this might change my plans a bit.</p>
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		By: Sam		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 15:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What a beautiful home design; I love how energy efficiency and sustainability is seamlessly integrated.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a beautiful home design; I love how energy efficiency and sustainability is seamlessly integrated.</p>
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		By: Aseem		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aseem]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 20:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the tips, guys.  We certainly have a lot of floor-to-ceiling windows, and most are south or west facing.  Good stuff to ponder, and I&#039;ll think about the solution and get some price quotes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the tips, guys.  We certainly have a lot of floor-to-ceiling windows, and most are south or west facing.  Good stuff to ponder, and I&#8217;ll think about the solution and get some price quotes.</p>
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		By: Toronto Modern		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Toronto Modern]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 19:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Aseem

Hi.  We did as Mike suggested - we put in wiring and then made the final decisions once we were in the home stretch as to where we would go with the blinds.  We also tried living without blinds in some of the rooms where privacy was not a concern (living areas, including kitchen are pretty private) to see if we really needed blinds, but we found that even with efficient windows, because of the size and number of the windows, it got incredibly hot and bright and downright uncomfortable, even with the AC cranked up.  So it became pretty clear that good blinds were a must.  (Glass houses are beautiful, but architectural magazines never talk about these sorts of comfort issues...)

Building a custom house involves a lot of decisions and trade-offs and it&#039;s probably downright presumptuous of me to say this, but I would seriously recommend saving in other areas (like tiles or flooring) to create room in the budget for electric blinds in the rooms where you will want to raise them up and down on a regular basis.   The interior motors were about $400 each (Canadian), as I recall.  Some of the bigger windows required 2 motors.  If you go with shades, you have to pay for the material anyway, so the motors would be the only cost savings if you went manual rather than electric.  Ultimately, we did go manual in a couple of rooms where we thought that the blinds would be down most of the time (and they are, because we can&#039;t be bothered to raise them by hand), but everyday when I raise the blinds in the other rooms, I am so glad we went electric in those areas.
  
Whatever you decide to do, make sure you can access the mechanism (be it manual or electric) easily as you don&#039;t want to be ruining and then fixing drywall if repairs or changes are indicated.  

Good luck!  I look forward to checking out your progress.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aseem</p>
<p>Hi.  We did as Mike suggested &#8211; we put in wiring and then made the final decisions once we were in the home stretch as to where we would go with the blinds.  We also tried living without blinds in some of the rooms where privacy was not a concern (living areas, including kitchen are pretty private) to see if we really needed blinds, but we found that even with efficient windows, because of the size and number of the windows, it got incredibly hot and bright and downright uncomfortable, even with the AC cranked up.  So it became pretty clear that good blinds were a must.  (Glass houses are beautiful, but architectural magazines never talk about these sorts of comfort issues&#8230;)</p>
<p>Building a custom house involves a lot of decisions and trade-offs and it&#8217;s probably downright presumptuous of me to say this, but I would seriously recommend saving in other areas (like tiles or flooring) to create room in the budget for electric blinds in the rooms where you will want to raise them up and down on a regular basis.   The interior motors were about $400 each (Canadian), as I recall.  Some of the bigger windows required 2 motors.  If you go with shades, you have to pay for the material anyway, so the motors would be the only cost savings if you went manual rather than electric.  Ultimately, we did go manual in a couple of rooms where we thought that the blinds would be down most of the time (and they are, because we can&#8217;t be bothered to raise them by hand), but everyday when I raise the blinds in the other rooms, I am so glad we went electric in those areas.</p>
<p>Whatever you decide to do, make sure you can access the mechanism (be it manual or electric) easily as you don&#8217;t want to be ruining and then fixing drywall if repairs or changes are indicated.  </p>
<p>Good luck!  I look forward to checking out your progress.</p>
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		By: Mike D.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike D.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 17:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Aseem: The visual impact of low-E glass will be next to zero. It will not cut down glare at all. Will only reduce heat a tad. We have low-E glass as well. By the way, $2000-$3000 a window would be for exterior motorized. Interior can be cheaper.  What I would do if I were you is just run the wires for every single window you&#039;d ever want a motorized shade on. Running wires is cheap during framing. The whole thing will cost you probably $500. Then, when you&#039;re ready to put shades in, you&#039;ll already be wired and ready to go. Pushing the shades up into the drywall is nice but you can also just get nice aluminum covers which will be plenty subtle.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aseem: The visual impact of low-E glass will be next to zero. It will not cut down glare at all. Will only reduce heat a tad. We have low-E glass as well. By the way, $2000-$3000 a window would be for exterior motorized. Interior can be cheaper.  What I would do if I were you is just run the wires for every single window you&#8217;d ever want a motorized shade on. Running wires is cheap during framing. The whole thing will cost you probably $500. Then, when you&#8217;re ready to put shades in, you&#8217;ll already be wired and ready to go. Pushing the shades up into the drywall is nice but you can also just get nice aluminum covers which will be plenty subtle.</p>
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		By: Aseem		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 17:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Toronto Modern, thanks for the comments.  I changed my blog&#039;s commenting policy, I wasn&#039;t aware it was so restrictive.  

I did a bit of poking around, and we have discussed the issue of shades with our architects.  Honestly, there&#039;s no way we have budget for electrically-operated shades.  However, putting the canister of the roller shades into the ceiling is a possibility and not too expensive.  Part of the problem is that we&#039;re not sure where we need shades; definitely the bedrooms, but we&#039;re hoping the low-E windows will make shades unnecessary in the living areas.  This is something we&#039;ll have to decide before drywall goes up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Toronto Modern, thanks for the comments.  I changed my blog&#8217;s commenting policy, I wasn&#8217;t aware it was so restrictive.  </p>
<p>I did a bit of poking around, and we have discussed the issue of shades with our architects.  Honestly, there&#8217;s no way we have budget for electrically-operated shades.  However, putting the canister of the roller shades into the ceiling is a possibility and not too expensive.  Part of the problem is that we&#8217;re not sure where we need shades; definitely the bedrooms, but we&#8217;re hoping the low-E windows will make shades unnecessary in the living areas.  This is something we&#8217;ll have to decide before drywall goes up.</p>
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		By: Mike D.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike D.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Agreed about getting window coverings in the budget asap. Keep in mind also, Aseem, that I had a LOT of glass to cover. There are 7 blind motors in total (powering 9 blinds) and several of them are gigantic (like 10 feet tall by 12 feet wide). If you only end up needing motorized shades on a couple of your windows, it&#039;s going to be a lot cheaper. Figure on maybe $2000 per fairly large window... less for normal sized windows.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed about getting window coverings in the budget asap. Keep in mind also, Aseem, that I had a LOT of glass to cover. There are 7 blind motors in total (powering 9 blinds) and several of them are gigantic (like 10 feet tall by 12 feet wide). If you only end up needing motorized shades on a couple of your windows, it&#8217;s going to be a lot cheaper. Figure on maybe $2000 per fairly large window&#8230; less for normal sized windows.</p>
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		By: Toronto Modern		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Toronto Modern]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Aseem

I wanted to respond to you on the shades point on your blog, but I didn&#039;t meet any of the profile criteria on your blog, so I am posting a reply to you on Mike&#039;s blog.  (Which I hope is not a breach of etiquette.) You may wish to talk about shades with your architect at this early stage.  The cleanest shade solutions are those where the housing is hidden, but this requires planning well in advance.  You can add blinds above the windows after wards, but this doesn&#039;t look as good.  It does add to the cost, but if you have big windows, electric blinds should definitely be considered as you will want to be able to put them up and down easily to control sun and privacy.  (If you want to go electric, the wiring will have to be done early as well)   We found in our previous house (with hand operated shades) that the shades just stayed in one position as we couldn&#039;t be bothered to raise and lower them.  With electric blinds, we raise and lower them at will, and it is such a great convenience.  (The kids love demonstrating them to visitors as well!)   We went with interior blinds rather than the exterior kind that Mike used.  We got a couple of quotes, but even with searching the motors were surprisingly expensive.  We justified it by telling ourselves that even  traditional drapes can cost a lot of money.   Window coverings that are easy to use will make a huge difference in your enjoyment of the house.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aseem</p>
<p>I wanted to respond to you on the shades point on your blog, but I didn&#8217;t meet any of the profile criteria on your blog, so I am posting a reply to you on Mike&#8217;s blog.  (Which I hope is not a breach of etiquette.) You may wish to talk about shades with your architect at this early stage.  The cleanest shade solutions are those where the housing is hidden, but this requires planning well in advance.  You can add blinds above the windows after wards, but this doesn&#8217;t look as good.  It does add to the cost, but if you have big windows, electric blinds should definitely be considered as you will want to be able to put them up and down easily to control sun and privacy.  (If you want to go electric, the wiring will have to be done early as well)   We found in our previous house (with hand operated shades) that the shades just stayed in one position as we couldn&#8217;t be bothered to raise and lower them.  With electric blinds, we raise and lower them at will, and it is such a great convenience.  (The kids love demonstrating them to visitors as well!)   We went with interior blinds rather than the exterior kind that Mike used.  We got a couple of quotes, but even with searching the motors were surprisingly expensive.  We justified it by telling ourselves that even  traditional drapes can cost a lot of money.   Window coverings that are easy to use will make a huge difference in your enjoyment of the house.</p>
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		By: Aseem		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aseem]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 04:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wasn&#039;t including labor, just steel &#038; lumber (I think labor is another $12k).  So maybe our numbers aren&#039;t too far off.  Steel is pricey, but necessary for our cantilever (you can see progress and a rendering at http://phinneymodern.blogspot.com).  

We haven&#039;t even budgeted for shades.  I&#039;m certainly hoping to spend less, but I imagine we&#039;ll stick with hand-actuated internal shades (probably rollers).  BTW, your blog has been a great help in our project.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#8217;t including labor, just steel &amp; lumber (I think labor is another $12k).  So maybe our numbers aren&#8217;t too far off.  Steel is pricey, but necessary for our cantilever (you can see progress and a rendering at <a href="http://phinneymodern.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow ugc">http://phinneymodern.blogspot.com</a>).  </p>
<p>We haven&#8217;t even budgeted for shades.  I&#8217;m certainly hoping to spend less, but I imagine we&#8217;ll stick with hand-actuated internal shades (probably rollers).  BTW, your blog has been a great help in our project.</p>
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		By: Mike D.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike D.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 04:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Aseem: Worth every penny. A cheaper, but still effective motorized shade package would have only been a couple grand less. By the way, if you paid under $25,000 for your entire framing package (steel, lumber, labor, etc.), that is pretty dirt cheap. I think the framing stage for me was about $46,000. House is two stories at 3200 square feet plus a 1500 square foot basement but I didn&#039;t use steel in the framing either. Steel is usually pretty pricey.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aseem: Worth every penny. A cheaper, but still effective motorized shade package would have only been a couple grand less. By the way, if you paid under $25,000 for your entire framing package (steel, lumber, labor, etc.), that is pretty dirt cheap. I think the framing stage for me was about $46,000. House is two stories at 3200 square feet plus a 1500 square foot basement but I didn&#8217;t use steel in the framing either. Steel is usually pretty pricey.</p>
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